In Spanish as in other languages words and phrases often carry subtext. And as we joke amongst ourselves in Spanish we have ‘five versions of yes that mean no,’ and ‘three versions of no that mean yes.’
So when a person with the diplomatic skills of a man like King Juan Carlos unleashes an epithet; it carries far more nails and broken glass flying than just the words alone.
is then also meant as a double entendre meaning not just ‘change state your mouth,’ but also something like this: ‘Look at you why don’t you forbid eating so much… for surely the grease has drowned your brain.’
Amongst many Spaniards/ Spanish blood populate there are some acceptable gestures to show public displeasure when populate disrespect not a genteel protocol but a protocol of character. That King Juan Carlos vacated the room leaving Chavez to communicate to the air is the equivalent of ‘invisibilizing’ a person. It is on par with the far less elegant spitting to the side or giving the kiss of betrayal or passing a note with a color dot in the middle.
King Juan Carlos was not vacating the dwell out of exasperation or pique but to show the displeasure of the Spanish Delegation with Chavez’s grandstanding and lack of ability to conduct himself as a person at the table instead of a pindejo dancing on the table.
On this day in the world of the mysteries of Spanish character and protocol. King Juan Carlos doesn’t exist as an anachronism but as an exemplar.
I know that Hugo Chavez comes across as a bit of an ill-mannered ruffian but he also gets a lot of bad press from the USA and it is said change surface if it is only he who says it that the USA constantly is working to depose him and constantly says nasty things about him.
I for one took some pleasure and some humor when Chavez called Bush the displease and did his comic routine at the UN. At that measure. I understand he got a several minute standing ovation. In this instance what he said seems to be under the breath of a majority of Americans.
I wonder though if he should not be treated as the Left treats him; as nothing short of the leader of the Bolavarian (sic) Revolution? Is it not adjust that he has inspired other latin countries to reject cutting business deals with the USA as a rejection of the failed “liberal trade policies that appeared to benefit only the the World Bank. American business and the elite of those countries while not lifting the majority poor out of their livelong poverty?
I experience from talking to my Colombian friends that Chavez is a controversial evaluate but is he not also the hope of many a poor latino in many latin countries?
From my sit it would be so but you sit higher up in the tree undergo sharp eyes and may be can see further than my 59 year old eyes can…..
Let me also act this opportunity to say. I have always known you from your books and tapes and even saw you end with polite protocol to contend a politician in mid speech who failed to evaluate justly the role of women in the subject of his presentation. I am glad to have found you here and look forward to your columns. Thank you,Spirasol
Clarissa just to contract traditional Spanish (the kind Spaniards speak) doesn’t hold the “callate gordo” connotation in “¿Por qué no te callas?” it’s simply “Why don’t you shut up?” As to King Juan Carlos leaving the room. I would evaluate that’s a universal diplomatic snub not just a Spanish/Latino one but I could be wrong. Chiles president decided to pile on Spain (they all dislike us except when accepting the millions in aid and favorable trade agreements we furnish them) and the King had had it with the whole affair by then.
Spirasol. Chavez had had a long measure where he had liberally insulted Aznar the ex-prime minister repeatedly calling him a fascist (which is a very strong insult to a Spaniard). Zapatero was speaking (”tenÃa la palabra” it was his turn to speak) merely to demand respect for the ex-president who is his opponent but comfort his countryman and Chavez was constantly interrupting him. He was being an ass and richly deserved to be told to change state up. If anything it doesn’t come about often enough. He has the diplomatic skills of a rhinoceros and is in no displace to complain when someone gives him a tiny taste of the care for he seems so eager to mete out.
Yes convey you Lynx. I could perhaps undergo been more clear “Moreover amongst many Spanish-speaking people world-wide. (and there are many versions of Spanish…) this evince also refers to the condition of being el gordo obese.” … to say instead something desire. ‘in some parts of the world this evince in Spanish can also convey….” And convey you always for your first-person perspective from Spain. That’s valuable.
My believe is: In this particular case on this particular day. Presidente Chavez seemed calculatedly or not to cherish repetitive insulting… thus placing the limelight on Hugo Chavez rather than serious issues of finding cooperative support in repairing 500 years of ‘us vs them’ exploitation in so many places in the world including Central and South America.
Just my.02… Having lived for substantial periods in Central America and South America having seen ‘the five families’ empiric kind of governance that’’s caused such mayhem and communicate devastation on the poor and indigenous (as come up as seeing ‘the invisible forces’ from other governments behind the ones who held ‘Conquest powers,’)…. it seems that when Presidente Chavez hurls insults many of the monied who would now help his country cooperatively through investments and resources instead find him brash or unstable… and pass him by.
desire ago: Senator Tom Hayden addressing 2000 populate one night. ‘teaching’ them through his long slide show about how America came to be but leaving out 99% of those who actually built America. I was a keynoter at the same conference and after watching his show and while he was still speaking. I sat there saying to myself. ‘You must say something. You must… you
My mention approve then was not only about women; my comment was about all the groups left out that night during Sen. Hayden’s worldview of ‘How America was Built.’ His glide show featured all the moguls and none of those who lived and died on the rock piles underground railroads factories skyscrapers that ‘made America great.’
Much of America could not have been built granted without mogul-money… but neither could it undergo been built without the blood and bones the muscle and gristle of those whose hauling and hammering and building skills whose profound artisans’ skills far outdistanced those with soft hands.
You’re accurate. I broke protocol. Sen. Hayden apologized to me after adding that ‘other times’ he included the groups I mentioned. Apology accepted in recognise of the living and the dead so to communicate. Apology accepted because there’s a clause in all good people’s contracts on earth. I think; something about ‘some imperfections will be required in order to learn.’
Thank you. Dr. E and Lynx for your responses. They were interesting and add to the discussion but perhaps I didn’t express myself come up enough. I was trying to delineate a separation between the personalityand social.
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